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Monday, January 23, 2006

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James

I look forward to this discussion of Barna's book. While I haven't had the chance to read it as of yet (graduate studies limit my time for casual reading), I am very familiar with Barna's work, and the sometimes heartbreaking results of his studies of religion in the U.S.

Jason Clark

Looking forward to your thoughts Todd. I got a pre-lease copy of the book and reviewed it, and I found it less than helpful

http://www.jasonclark.ws/jasonclark/2005/08/revolutions_bar.html

Thanks, jason

Eric Wilbanks

Thanks for your blog. I subscribe to it via Google Reader and always enjoy your comments.

Although relatively young (turning 38 next month), I have served on pastoral staffs for more than 12 years. It also happens that I have spent the past 5 years researching this thing that Barna is calling the Revolution. And the reality is that Barna deserves absolutely no credit for it's existence or growth. He's merely a statistician trying to interpret the data. (More readers should wake up to this fact.) Barna is an old-school, hard-core lover of the traditional, institutional church. But he has finally come to terms with the same things I've wrestled with for years: Ineffectiveness, hypocrisy, legalism, consumerism, and a list a mile long that plagues churches today. That realization lead him to begin researching this quiet movement that has been growing at the grassroots level in America for well more than a decade!

Why do I say all of this? Because my own research has led me to many of the same conclusions that Barna reached. (For the record, I am currently on staff at a local church.)

The only difference is that my research began as a theological journey, reading the Bible without the aid of popular Christian books and traditional mental models. What I found were disturbing discrepancies between the Church of the Bible and the church(es) to which I dedicated my life. And when I went to others with these things, I was met with close-minded ignorance. I found almost no one willing to engage in intelligent, theologically grounded conversations concerning the form and function of the Body of Christ.

I'm no expert by any means, but I applaud Barna's gutsy move to report on this "revolution." Yes, the ideas espoused by Barna in his book are ideas that deserve serious and intelligent debate. Unfortuantely, yours is the first response I've read that is not a violent dismissal as if the ideas were heretical notions formed out of dark and demonic ideologies.

Here's a question for pondering: Is it possible, both practically and theologically, to be committed to the "organism" while rejecting the "organization" that controls it? I think that may sum up (simplistically) the ideas in Revolution.

I look forward to reading your thoughts as you begin this journey of exploration.

Rev. Mike

Tod, I have not had the opportunity to read Barna's book, mostly coming out of my own prejudice. Barna lost me a couple of years ago when he declared in what I considered an absurdly skewed poll that most Christians in the U.S. did not hold a biblical worldview.

However, I find myself echoing some of the thoughts expressed by Eric. I hope that not only will you provide an insightful analysis as you invariably do here, but it would also be quite interesting if you were able to contact Barna directly and get him to comment in response to your analysis.

I look forward to your review!

KC

I heard Reggie McNeal refer tot hat book today at his present-future seminar at Fuller. I will have to pick it up. Sounds like a good read...hard to believe Rev Doc that I remember you way back when...I just saw your little red car you used to have driving around here in sacto. hehe.

Dennis

Tod... I am excited to read what you have to say about Barna's book. I think he is on a very dangerous course. To ignore most of the N.T. and 2000 years of history is unwise. It seems Barna is building a Ecclesiology on his reasearch rather than the Holy writ! Keep up the good work.

David M. Smith

Hi Tod,

I also am looking forward to your comments since I see very little on Sunday morning or throughout the week that conforms to my understanding of the body of Christ.

I am starting with the bias that the Church is in a state of disrepair and needs some serious upgrades, but that it shouldn’t be discarded completely. I expect your comments to challenge my assumptions.

Tim C

Is there a good overview or outline of Barna's thesis online in his own words? Or a good interview where we can understand his argument directly rather than through reviewers?

(Or we could break down and buy the book, I suppose)

Tim

Bumble

Tod, check this one out about Barna's book from the Wesleyan's camp: http://www.drurywriting.com/keith/revolution.barna2.htm

zane anderson

"Revolution" will be discussed this Friday night (2-3-06) on the nationwide Moody Broadcasting Network. "Open Line" is a call-in show which is aired at 8-8:55 pm CT. The phone number is 312-329-4460.

The programs are archived for download.

For station and time of broadcast information see http://openlineradio.org.

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