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Friday, April 15, 2005

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Derek Simmons

Tod:
Someone whose heart, mind, and soul I appreciate heart, mind and soul, once said that "the need is not the call." You have given a face and a taste and a smell to what we knew was real but what we felt as the vaporous need of a far away people.
Thank you. But back to that first stated point now nagging me as a question: If the "need is not the call", why then is Malawi's need our Call from God here at SCPC for investment and involvement there?

Your Brother in Christ,
Derek

Tod

I can always count on the fact that Derek is listening...and remembering...my sermons. Let me see if I can answer his question by posting the section of the sermon that he mentioned.

"And let me be clear about this particular point by emphasizing this one phrase: The need is not the call.

You see so many of us think that to be called is nothing more than being willing to help out. To be a volunteer. To see a need and meet it. But, that’s not the point here. Jesus didn’t come to Peter, Andrew, James and John and say, “Hey I need some volunteers. There is a great need out there. People need my gospel.” Instead, he called them to follow him. Disciples are those who are called to Jesus and to join Jesus in Jesus’ work of meeting the great needs of the world.

That’s not to say that a call can’t come through a need. Many, many times in life we find ourselves seeing a need and in it, hearing a call. In many ways that is what has been happening in our church as we seek to start a new Hispanic ministry and a new ministry working with people whose lives have been devastated by AIDS in Africa. Through the needs, and ample prayerful discussion, our Session discerned a call for our church.

But, to be a disciple, to be yoked to Jesus is not necessarily about meeting the world’s needs; it is answering Jesus’ call. And if we believe this we will suit up, we will enter the game, our lives will become part of something bigger than ourselves: If we heed the call, we will meet the needs."

Derek Simmons

Ok, Tod. NOW I've got it. The need is NOT the call.


"...And let me be clear about this particular point by emphasizing this one phrase: The need is not the call...."

"...That’s not to say that a call can’t come through a need. Many, many times in life we find ourselves seeing a need and in it, hearing a call...."

"...In many ways that is what has been happening in our church as we seek to start....a new ministry working with people whose lives have been devastated by AIDS in Africa..."

Those are the words from your sermon you posted in answer to my question:
If the "need is not the call", why then is Malawi's need our Call from God here at SCPC for investment and involvement there?

From that posted response I guess I'm left with using more of your words to characterize where your answer has left me:

"...When confronted by a world in need, I see the way that need is an opportunity for the church to participate in God’s ministry to heal and reconcile the world through investment and involvement. In fact, it is more than an opportunity, it is a call..."

So, the world's need IS a call!

Ok, Tod. I do NOT get it.

What I DO get is that I am
Your Brother in Christ,
Derek

Tod

Nice catch Derek. This was a "memo of understanding" to our partners who are indeed feeling called to participate in God's work in Africa to alleviate the suffering of AIDS in this particular way. So, I should have written, " In fact, it is more than an opportunity, it is, for us, a call..."

But do I think that the American church should all be involved in this crises in some way? While you or I may or may not be called to a particular ministry, we are all called in the words of NT Wright "to be Jesus for the world."

That need is most definitely a call.

PS. My point all along on need and call is that we should respond more to the leading of the Spirit and the word of the Scripture, not just the need in front of us. I didn't feel a call to give money to the girl who came to my door raising money for Tsunami relief for UNICEF because I am already involved with World Vision's efforts. Her sense of need, did not institute for me a call.

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Donna Carter

Can it be that we in San Clemente have the greater need and that the Malawians have been called to awaken us spiritually?

I see it this way: if we have been blessed in San Clemente with abundant resources (which we have), yet sometimes are very poor in spirit (which we are, at times), can we not make an exchange whereby we catch some of the infectious love the Malawians have for Christ that in turn enriches our spirit? I say yes. I think this is another Jabez opportunity to expand our borders and look to see what happens. The fact that we would be giving to people who will make their own lives better, rather than simple relief efforts, means our resources are multiplied.

Josue

Tod, let me know if I understood your point:

People in North America tend to be task oriented and overachievers. We go to God and ask Him: "How can we help you?" (as if God needed our help). This attitude puts us in the centre: WE can DO something. We measure our success by what we achieve.

One danger of this attitude is that we often choose where to help, thus we "help" God in areas where we feel comfortable.

However, God is more interested in us following him than us doing something. He shifts the centre of gravity to him. As Bonhoeffer well said long ago, there is a cost in true discipleship.

Huh, doing things is easy--following Jesus is another story. He will take us to places where we'll only survive by his grace, where we'll depend entirely on him to fulfil his call.

Aaron

Who wrote/spoke "the church is a sleeping giant"?

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