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Friday, March 11, 2005

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John

I have really enjoyed these posts and they have given me an insight that I never had before.
God bless you and yours!

George Ertel

You wrote: "...it cannot be emphasized strongly enough that for Calvin, the sacraments are the primary way in which the real presence of the Risen Christ establishes, maintains, nourishes and empowers, through the Holy Spirit, a transforming union with the believer. 'Nothing short of true and full communion with the crucified and risen Christ is what is at stake...in the sacrament.' ... Second, according to Calvin, sacraments are themselves relational events given to us by God to help us overcome our 'mistrust' of God. They are 'methods employed by the graciousness of God to express and develop a gracious personal relationship with him.'... Third, the Lord’s Supper especially demonstrates the necessity of Christian fellowship and Christian witness."

Calvin makes a statement that sacrements are the primary way God effects an empowering relationship. Has that been the means for you? Not for me. While I do appreciate the communion sacrement, my relationship has been built by far more than that activity. So Calvin's statement is not universally true.

The "mistrust" with which some people regard God seems to come from events like 9-11 and tsunamis. Have you known anyone whose mistrust was erased by communion?

Your third point, which apparently is not Calvin's, is that communion is intended to be a community of believers activity. You and I agree wholeheartedly on that. When I lived elsewhere, I used to go to a Grace Brethren church where communion was preceded by dinner -- that was good, I thought.

Doing communion in conjunction with a potluck would combine a directed sacrement with the work of building up the body, would it not? And if so, that would seem to me to indicate the synergistic value obtained from doing it that way.

David L

First here is a Blog you might be interested in Pastor: http://www.reformedcatholicism.com/

You post was very interesting, one thing that turned me off to contermporay evangelicalism was the nonchalnt attitude toward the Eucharist. While on one hand you have to Latin overcompensation (Adoration, formula's to explain a mystery) you have somewhat of an abandonment of the importance of the sacrament by contemporary evangelicals protestants. I remember attending Mega Church here in Placer County. During Communion you had people swigging down coffee between the body and blood. Whether you believe it is a symbol, or that God the Son is present in some way in the Eucharist it seems like there should be some direction and explanation given before hand. That seems as in appropriate as lying prostrate before the body worshiping it for hours at a time, in some cases continually.

In the Orthodox Parish I attend I have been mortified that it is five minutes before the Eucharist that the church fills up. Most of the people missed the Word altogether, if these people aren't hearing and we know that faith comes by hearing the Word of God is the Eucharist to their benefit or to their damnation?

On the other hand I know people that choose churches based on how talented the preacher is. They identify with the preacher and not the faith, not the sacraments and the word of God. You have Wesleyians attending Baptist churches, Calvanist attending Weslyian churches, Roman Catholics attending non denominational (reformed/baptist/charismatic) churches because they like the programs, preachers, and community even though they don't subscribe and in some cases are in opposition to the faith of the church.

The more I learn about the catholic Calvin the better I understand him.

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